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		<description><![CDATA[Perry Belcher has just announced he is retiring &#8212; not from Internet marketing, per se &#8212; but from the business of teaching Internet marketing. Now, I don&#8217;t know Perry Belcher, and I don&#8217;t know Ryan Deiss either (although I did share a table with him at a Big Seminar dinner one year while I talked [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>Perry Belcher has just announced he is retiring &#8212; not from Internet marketing, <em>per se</em> &#8212; but from the business of <em>teaching</em> Internet marketing.</p>
<p>Now, I don&#8217;t know Perry Belcher, and I don&#8217;t know Ryan Deiss either (although I did share a table with him at a Big Seminar dinner one year while I talked with Scott Boulch prior to his release of &#8220;The Death of Adsense&#8221;).</p>
<p>Neither do I know Perry&#8217;s true purpose for &#8220;retiring,&#8221; but let&#8217;s take a look at what Perry actually says.</p>
<p>On October 1, 2009, Perry Belcher writes, &#8220;Today I decided to end my career as an Internet marketing trainer.&#8221;</p>
<p>Okay, fair enough.</p>
<p>But you know, there are a few other Internet marketing &#8220;gurus&#8221; who have claimed they were either leaving Internet marketing for good, or that they were doing their last seminar ever (or whatever).</p>
<p>Mark Joyner and Matt Bacak come to mind.</p>
<p>Way back in 2003, Mark Joyner announced he was leaving Internet marketing. He put together a product bundle of all the software and info products he had ever created, sold it for a discounted-but-still-expensive price, and disappeared for a while.</p>
<p>But it wasn&#8217;t long before Mark was back. He created <a href="http://www.simpleology.com/about.html">Simpleology</a> and wrote three books: <em>The Irresistible Offer</em>, <em>Simpleology</em>, and <em>Integration Marketing</em>. These books have enjoyed strong sales due in no small part to the Internet marketing community.</p>
<p>Now let&#8217;s take a look at Matt Bacak.</p>
<p>Back in 2008, he announced that he was retiring from Internet marketing. He even registered a domain: MattBacakRetires.com. (Although you&#8217;ll find that the content that was once there has been deleted. If you doubt, you can type in &#8220;Matt Bacak Retires&#8221; into Google and you&#8217;ll find articles <a href="http://www.conversiondoctor.com/conversion-blog/2008/matt-bacak-retires-is-matt-bacak-a-quitter/">like this one</a> that still link to the dead site.)</p>
<p>Matt Bacak&#8217;s &#8220;retirement&#8221; was attributed to the &#8220;fact&#8221; that some of his students had ripped off his system and begun competing with Matt directly. To &#8220;stick it&#8221; to these so-called thieves, Matt announced his retirement&#8230; and that you could get his $5,500 seminar for just $1.</p>
<p>Great story, but did Matt really retire? Not exactly&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m writing this post on Friday, October 2, 2009. And guess what Matt Bacak and Mark Joyner are doing together?</p>
<p>They are hosting a seminar on December 4-6, 2009. It&#8217;s called <a href="http://www.survivaltacticsseminar.com/">Survival Tactics for Tough Times</a>, supposedly a repeat of a seminar Mark Joyner did in 2002. Here&#8217;s a screen shot:</p>
<p><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-817" title="Matt Bacak and Mark Joyner Host a Seminar" src="http://www.ryanhealy.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/matt-bacak-mark-joyner-300x266.png" alt="matt bacak mark joyner 300x266 Internet Marketing Retires!" width="300" height="266" /></p>
<p>So two well-known Internet marketing &#8220;gurus&#8221; who publicly &#8220;retired&#8221; are now uniting to teach&#8230; <em>Internet marketing??</em></p>
<p>There&#8217;s even <a href="http://www.facebook.com/inbox/readmessage.php?t=1266947836691#/video/video.php?v=159566317989&amp;oid=144725198839">a video on Facebook</a> right now with Matt Bacak announcing this new seminar. Here&#8217;s a screen shot in case he deletes the video at some point&#8230;</p>
<p><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-818" title="Matt Bacak announces seminar on Facebook" src="http://www.ryanhealy.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/matt-bacak-facebook-300x238.png" alt="matt bacak facebook 300x238 Internet Marketing Retires!" width="300" height="238" /></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the thing. I know we don&#8217;t have a large sampling here, but it seems IM &#8220;gurus&#8221; have a bad habit of retiring&#8230; and then coming back a year or two later. It also seems these &#8220;Internet marketing retirees&#8221; are birds of a feather who flock together &#8212; particularly at seminars in warm-weather locales.</p>
<p>Which raises the question: Will Perry Belcher do the same thing? Will his retirement &#8220;as an Internet marketing trainer&#8221; be a temporary thing? Is this just a gimmick so Perry can create scarcity&#8230; then come back in a year with something new?</p>
<p>I hope not, mostly because I&#8217;m tired of the whole &#8220;I&#8217;m retiring, now I&#8217;m back&#8221; schtick.</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s turn for a moment to <span style="text-decoration: underline;">why</span> Perry is retiring right now. He says:</p>
<blockquote><p>Secondly, while there are a great many people who have shown me a great deal of love, there are a few that have shown a heavy dose of hate and anger, partially because of my past. This group has unfortunately been much more vocal and harsh.</p>
<p>While I can take reasonable criticism, today I have concerns for my safety and the safety of family.</p></blockquote>
<p>What is this &#8220;past&#8221; that Perry is talking about?</p>
<p>In a nutshell, Perry Belcher used to run a &#8220;health&#8221; company called Selmedica. He sold a number of supplements for a variety of health conditions. Unfortunately, the products were dubious (at best), and he used <a href="http://saltydroid.wordpress.com/2009/03/23/the-selmedica-scam-part-1/">false advertising claims</a> to sell them.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.saltydroid.info/rated-g-reports/perry-belcher/">Long story</a> short, he was <a href="http://mikeyounglaw.com/internet-lawyer/internet-attorney-perry-belcher-arrest/">arrested</a> by local authorities, his assets were seized and liquidated, and he is now serving a 10-year probation.</p>
<p>Some people get upset when you bring this up because they claim Perry has &#8220;paid his debt to society.&#8221; Well, I guess that depends on how you define &#8220;paying your debt.&#8221;</p>
<p>Biblically speaking, if you steal from others &#8212; theft seems about the best description for defrauding people of money &#8212; then you must pay back double the amount you stole to make restitution and restore the victims of injustice.</p>
<p>If you pay back double what you stole, you have then paid your debt to society and ought to be treated like anybody else.</p>
<p>Going to prison, serving probation, having your assets seized and liquidated &#8212; these are man&#8217;s ways of doing justice. And while they are unpleasant for the criminal, they do nothing for the victims.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s really just a side issue at this point.</p>
<p>Getting back to Perry&#8217;s stated reasons for throwing in the towel &#8212; among them &#8220;a heavy dose of hate and anger&#8221; &#8212; I think the real reason is <a href="http://www.saltydroid.info">Salty Droid</a> and his acerbic brand of investigative journalism.</p>
<p>Salty Droid writes a blog dedicated to exposing Internet scammers, and he&#8217;s devoted a great deal of space to writing about Perry Belcher. Here&#8217;s a screen shot from October 3, 2009:</p>
<p><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-825" title="The Salty Droid" src="http://www.ryanhealy.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/salty-droid-300x162.png" alt="salty droid 300x162 Internet Marketing Retires!" width="300" height="162" /></p>
<p>With Salty Droid on the loose, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised to hear that Internet marketing itself was retiring!</p>
<p>Unfortunately, Internet marketing is like crack; it&#8217;s a hard habit to break. So don&#8217;t be surprised when Internet marketing comes out of retirement to host a seminar in a (warm weather) city near you.</p>
<p>In the mean time, Perry Belcher&#8217;s legal problems (and Salty Droid problems) bring up a timely reminder: be careful who you associate with on the Internet. It is all too easy for people to jump to conclusions (read: guilt by association).</p>
<p>Your thoughts? Sound off by leaving a comment below&#8230;</p>
<p>-Ryan M. Healy</p>
<p>P.S. Apparently, Howie Schwartz also announced his &#8220;retirement&#8221; from Internet marketing on August 21, 2009. We&#8217;ll see how long it lasts. My guess: He&#8217;ll be stage-speaking at IM events within 2 years.<br />
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